UPDATE POST OF MTHFR BLOG
Do you have a genetic defect in the MTHFR gene??
Maybe you've have a family history of heart attack or stroke... maybe you've suffered through multiple miscarriages. Or maybe you struggle with chronic migraine headaches or irritible bowel syndrome or depression. Perhaps your child or a sibling has autism. What do all these things have in common? Well, these are just some of the conditions liked to a faulty enzyme called MTHFR.
What's up with MTHFR?MTHFR stands for methyl-tetrahydrofolate reductase, an enzyme that is responsible for the process of methylation in every cell in your body. MTHFR is a common genetic variant that causes this key enzyme in the body to function at a lower than normal rate. This can lead to a variety of medical problems. Although there are over fifty known MTHFR variants, the two primary ones are called C677T and A1298. Your doctor can order a blood test to determine if you have these genetic variants. Better yet, you can order a complete genetic profile yourself through 23andMe.
What's the big deal about methylation?Methylation is a core process that occurs in all cells to help your body make biochemical conversions. When people with genetic mutations is MTHFR are exposed to toxins, they have a harder time getting rid of them which can cause some very serious illnesses. The methylation process is responsible for:
- Cellular Repair: synthesis of nucleic acids, production & repair of DNA & mRNA
- Detoxification and Neurotransmistter Production: interconversion of amino acids
- Healthy Immune System Function: formation & maturation of red blood cells, white blood cells & platelet production
If you are homozygous or have 2 abnormal copies, then enzyme efficiency drops down to 10% to 20% of normal, which can be very serious. The worst combination is 677T/1298C in which you are heterozygous to both anomalies. Many chronic illnesses are linked to this anomaly. Fibromyalgia, irritable bowel syndrome, migraines, chemical sensitivity, frequent miscarriage and frequent blood clots are all conditions associated with MTHFR anomaly. For a great diagram of more methylation related health problems, check this out:
MTHFR Related Health Problems
Glutathione is the body's primary antioxidant and detoxifier. One of the ways that MTHFR gene mutation can make you susceptible to illness is by lowering your ability to make glutathione. People with MTHFR anomalies usually have low glutathione, which makes them more susceptible to stress and less tolerant to toxic exposures. Accumulation of toxins in the body and increased oxidative stress, which also leads to premature aging.
Some conditions that may be associated with MTHFR gene mutations
- Addictions: smoking, drugs, alcohol
- Down’s syndrome
- Frequent miscarriages
- Male & female infertility
- Pulmonary embolism and other blood clots
- Depression & anxiety
- Bipolar disorder
- Chronic Fatigue Syndrome
- Chemical Sensitivity
- Parkinson’s disease
- Irritable Bowel Syndrome
- Spina bifida
- Breast cancer
- Multiple Sclerosis
- Myocardial Infarction (Heart Attack)
- Methotrexate Toxicity
- Nitrous Oxide Toxicity
Treatment for MTHFRFortunately, you can easily be tested for the MTHFR mutation. If you find out that you have one or more of the gene mutations, you can supplement with methyl-folate and methyl B12, the active forms of these B vitamins. You can also supplement with liposomal or acetyl-glutathione, the end product of the pathway. Glutathione is poorly absorbed so either the liposomal form or a precursor, called n-acetylcysteine (NAC) may be used. Some of my favorites are Thorne Research Methyl Guard Plus and 5-MTHF 1mg and 5mg.
There are prescription medicines, that also contain methyl-folate: Deplin, MetanX, CerefolinNAC are a few. Methyl B12 can also be given as shots, nasal sprays, and sublingually. The intramuscular shots are by far the most effective method and must be prescribed by your physician. The choice of nutrients will vary from patient to patient and should be done under a doctor's supervision. There is a bell-shaped optimal curve so you may not feel well with too much or too little of the appropriate supplements. Other B vitamins, such as riboflavin and vitamin B6 also play an important role. As you may have surmised, this can be quite complex and I suggest you find a functional medicine trained physician to help you sort through your needs for the different nutrients if you have a chronic health condition related to the gene mutations. It is not uncommon for patients with these genetic polymorphism's to be very sensitive to supplementation.
Patients who I recommend screen for MTHFR mutations:
- Pre-conception care: test both man and woman
- Mental dysfunction including but not limited to depression, anxiety, irritability, mood swings, schizophrenia, bipolar
- Infants and children of parents with MTHFR mutations
- Family members related to someone with MTHFR mutations
- Elevated folate (not processing to active 5-MTHF due to inability to methylate)
- Elevated homocysteine (due to low active 5-MTHF and methylcobalamin)
- Elevated s-adenosylhomocysteine (due to low active 5-MTHF and methylcobalamin)
- Elevated serum cobalamin (due to inability to methylate cyanocobalamin to methylcobalamin)
- Elevated methylmalonic acid (due to methylcobalamin deficiency)
- Patients with syndromes: IBS, Chemical sensitivity, Fibromyalgia, Down Syndrome, Chronic fatigue syndrome
- Neurological disorders: Multiple sclerosis, Autism, Alzheimer’s, Epilepsy, Parkinson’s to name a few
- Cancer: family history of cancer or undergoing cancer treatment
- Cervical dysplasia
- Cardiovascular risk: family history of strokes, embolisms, heart attacks, clots, essential hypertension
- Birth defects: cleft palate, tetralogy of Fallot, spinal bifida, midline defects
- Drug sensitivities: methotrexate, anti-epileptics, nitrous oxide, anesthesia
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For more readingHolistic Primary Care
Genetics Home Reference
Molecular Biology of MTHFR
Genetics of Homocysteine Metabolism
Homocysteine and MTHFR mutation
23andMe Gene Test
Thanks for the great information. I have many patients affected by these mutations.ReplyDelete
Thank you for being a good doctor! My doc treated me for allergirs for 7 years...even after i went to an allergist and ruled out allergies. He always struck me as a glorified oharmacist. My current doctor figured this stuff out.Delete
Allergies? This can cause false allergies? I'm about to cry! 5.5 year's ago I found out I had MTHFR, and they told me it was no big deal just take a baby aspirin while pregnant. Both of my kids are coming up with allergies galore! My 2 yr old has growing problem that we have thought were due to food allergies. The only reason why MTHFR has come up is because I was turned down to be a surrogate mother. Now I'm going to have both of my kids tested.Delete
I just found out I have heterozygous MTFHR C677T varient one copy. I have chronic lymes, chronic fatigue, and get angry easily. I also had vertility issues among many other things. My daughter is 3 and has celiac and EOE. She also has chromosome abnormalities on no significance along with elevated pyruvate and lactic acid. No docs can figure out what is causing her speech and gross motor delays. Could this be the missing link? Also what are my risks with this and can I simply take folate to correct it?Delete
Unfortunately just adding methyl-folate won't fix anything. The MTHFR just predisposes you to more trouble eliminating toxins, repairing DNA and getting the right nutrients. You really need to consult with a functional doc who can test and treat all underlying imbalances in a personalized manner and help you on the road to wellness!Delete
This is a test I can order (as a functional medicine RD). I used to order it more judiciously but as they all kept coming back positive for one or more, I now do it as standard practice. I've only had 2 patients who are negative for all mutations. It's been quite a finding and has made a significant difference for many many.ReplyDelete
Wow. What a big prevalence!Delete
I have been tested and told I am homozygous for both 677T and 1298C. I take 400 micrograms of metfolin in my daily vitamin in divided doses and 1000 micrograms of methylcobalamin and 50 mg of vitamin B6 as P-5-P. when I try to add more Metfolin I get physically shaky, feel irritable and cloudy in my thinking. At one point I was up to 800 micrograms of Metfolin a day and tolerating it only by adding slowly 200 micrograms per day and when my NutrEval indicated I needed 1200 micrograms per day of Metfolin and I tried to go up, felt fullness in my chest, shakes, irritable and as if I might get a migraine. These effects slowly subsided over 24 hours. My Functioinal medicine doc thinks that this may just be a stress response. I am recovering from adrenal fatigue. My brother dies from a pulmonary embolism at age 42. Should I be exploring other things in order to take more of the Metfolin or one of these other supplements you mentioned. I am training with the IFM and will do the detox module this summer. Thanks, Sue Pickrel, MDReplyDelete
Sue, I am honozygous for 677T and 1298C as well. Strangely enough, my brother also died at age 42. He died from aortic aneurysm at the heart. I have been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, migraines and a host of other issues after taking lupron for my endometriosis. I am trying to find out if there could be a link to what happened to my brother and MTHFR mutations. Having his kids and my kids and parents tested for MTHFR and trying to figure out what to start with. My oldest is autistic and two of my three kids had heart defects and one was on ECMO as a baby. I can't help but think this is somehow related.Delete
If you have one copy of each, you are heterozygous. Otherwise, instead of the standard 2 copies of the gene, you have FOUR copies of the gene, which would be beyond unusual.Delete
No. The numbers 677 and 1298 indicate locations on the MTHFR gene, not the gene itself; therefore, the copy of the gene you receive from your mother can be normal or defective at each of those locations. Likewise, the copy you receive from your father, so it is possible to be homozygous for both 677 and 1298.Delete
People with COMT mutations often are sensitive to excess methyl groups because they degrade them slowly. Often they need to use hydroxycobalamin instead of methylcobalamin. Also, people in stressed health can oxidize mB12, and hydroxyB12 can be helpful then. If your side effects from metafolin go away when you take niacin, which eats up methyl groups as it metabolizes to SAMe, that could indicate your having problems with too many methyls. It's possible you might be able to substitute folinic acid (not folic acid) to meet your active folate requirement. 1298C's can process folinic acid.
And you can also get all of the important methylation genes tested for only $99 through 23andme DNA saliva test. For more information, go to http://refer.23andme.com/a/clk/1SJ2PzReplyDelete
Hi Doc Carnahan, for some reason, 23andme is not doing medical gene testing any longer. They will do gene tests for ancestry purposes, but not for health issues. I wish they did.Delete
Do you know of any other fairly inexpensive place to get this done?
These mutations, since they can cause bad thinking, (eg irritability, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, addiction) oftentimes leads to poverty and, as I think about it, many low income folks have maybe been consigned to a life of bad decisions, fighting with family and the inevitable poverty as a result of these awful mutations.
So they really need to be able to get this test the most. And, as such, it needs to be affordable.
No, you can still get the same raw data on genetic SNPs and a functional doctor in your area can help you interpret. You will STILL get all the same test results but the FDA did not want direct to consumer interpretation so 23and me does not do the interpretation online (unfortunately!) You can STILL download and determine SNPs you have and what that means for your health. Fortunately 23andMe will still allow you to download the same raw data so you can get all the results yourself! Blessings, Dr Jill
Thank you Dr. Jill, I will try that. Thanks again :)Delete
Great post! These tips are really very useful for maintaining skin.I will surely follow these tips.Thanks for sharing with site visitors.ReplyDelete
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I live in Peoria Il...what doctors are in the area that could help me with treatment of the MTHFR mutation...been going thru unexplained hell for the last 2 years and my nurse practitioner discovered this mutation but does not have experience in treating it. Have been trying to get an appt with Dr. Akwa which is proving to be challenging...anyone else you would suggest? Something I was wondering about...didnt really have any symptoms until after my hysterectomy...is this unusual?! 39 now...and would hate to think I am going to feel like this for the rest of my life.
Thanks for your help.
You might try Roberta VanZant, DO in Morton, IL
I have 2 daughters who must have the gene mutations. There are different tests. The difference, I believe, is others give an explanation of the test. I live in Boston, so will a good natuapath who knows the mutations be able to explain the test results?Delete
Dr. Carnahan, after doing a fair bit of reading online (dangerous, I know) it seems to me there is a fair bit of connection between the effects of the above named MTHFR gene mutations and adrenal fatigue. Do you know if there has been any research exploring this connection?ReplyDelete
Well, yes in a round about way. Poor methylation leads to poor detox and sometimes issues with eliminating infections or GI imbalances. All of these thins are stressors on the body and will drain the adrenal glands, especially poor detox.Delete
Hello, I tested heterozygous for C677T today after my sister informed me she tested positive last week. I am 32, have had psoriatic arthritis for 4 years and also have a lot of anxiety and chronic fatigue. Do you believe there is a link to all of this being due to this mutation? I havent been able to find any reliable information linking this to autoimmune conditions. Any information provided would be greatly appreciated.ReplyDelete
The MTHFR mutations are not "causing" your symptoms but they are causing your body to have more difficulty eliminating toxins or infectious issues. The link to autoimmune disease is leaky gut and many patients with MTHFR polymorphisms have imbalanced microbes in the gut which lead to dysbiosis and autoimmune disease -you can read more about that link here http://doccarnahan.blogspot.com/2012/04/leaky-gut-syndrome-linked-to-many.html
My husband and I are both negative for C677T, but both hetero for A1298C. We have three adult. Also family members live well into their 90's. I have anxiety and insomnia but testing indicates narcolepsy, which is never for me. Will have sleep study soon. We cleaned up our diet about five years ago and both have hypothyroidism. Both gluten sensitive and other food allergies. I catch every new cold that my grandbabies have. we are in our mid 60's and enjoy good health with exercise and plenty of water with lime, no diet drinks, no fast food.ReplyDelete
Dr. Carnahan, you write above "The worst combination is 677T/1298C in which you are heterozygous to both anomalies."ReplyDelete
Do you mean homozygous rather than heterozygous in this sentence?
Although technically two copies of both genes (homozygous) would be worse, it is very uncommon, whereas the heterozygous C677T/1298C is much more commonly the worst case scenario :-)Delete
I have double gene mutation homozygous hereditary hemochromatosis... I have SEVERE CFS SEVERE FIBRO DEPRESSION ANXIETY BIPOLAR SEVERE MCS!! IDelete
We live in CT 06850. Is there a doctor that you can recommend nearby? Will this test for $99 be adequate for testing MTHFR mutation. I will then need a doctor to "read" it and guide me. I do not know of anyone in the area. The issue is severe anxiety and depression, weight loss, fatigue, hair loss, skin issues, etc. Have been doing gluten free diet for several months. No medicine has ever helped the anxiety depression. ThxReplyDelete
I suggest finding a functional medicine trained physician in your area, try searching at www.functionalmedicine.org by zip code.Delete
I know you may have already gotten a good doctor in your area but if not you might want to try Dr. Minna Kim (www.stamfordnaturopathic.com). She treats patients w/ MTHFR, but she is an ND not an MD.Delete
Try the Avena wellness center in Putnam CT.. place is awesome!Delete
I tested positive for A1298C only. what should i supplement with? my holistic md does not know. thank you for your help.ReplyDelete
You'd need to consult with a functional medicine specialist because each case is individual and may depend on multiple factors. You can search for docs at www.functionalmedicine.org. Or if you'd like to set up a consult, you can contact us at www.drcarnahan.com
If my sister is positive for both A and C and my half sister is also positive, and I suffer from many symptoms of MTHFR is it okay to just try the homocysteine factor supplement for six months or should I test first? Or is it most prudent to test first? Money is the concern.ReplyDelete
You could probably try low dose methyl-folate and methyl-B12 and be safe. Just recommend start low and go slow :-)Delete
I have the MTHFR A1298C variety. I've had depression since childhood. In my 30's, after having two babies, I began getting FM/CFS symptoms which have continuously worsened over the yrs. I am now 52 and so sick of being sick. I tried Deplin for a couple of yrs, methyl b12 shots at home. Numerous supplements, alternative treatments, rx meds, you name it. Nothing seems to help at all. I'm thinking I need to revisit info like this on MTHFR, maybe now there is more info and treatment ideas. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!ReplyDelete
Recommend getting 23&me testing and then analysis of SNPs and seeing a functional medicine physician who understands these and knows how to treat. Best of luck to you!Delete
Hi I had a pe in oct 2012. I was tested for mutation and it came back that Im positive for mthtr c677t . I have unknown reason for the pe. Ibeing in coamadin for a year now today is going to be my first day out of medication. I don't want to be on warfin for life . What are my chances of another pe .taking the fact I have the one mtfhr c677t.ReplyDelete
Supplementing methyl-folate may be helpful in your caseDelete
I have a double gene mutation for hereditary hemochromatosis. I've been diagnosed also with Lyme disease fibro chronic fatigue and severe multi chemical sensitivities. Having a terrible time with my health will definitely talk to my doctor and hematologist about this. Thank u so much:-)ReplyDelete
Sure - hope it's helpful :-)Delete
would homogenous mthtr c677t result in high c reactive protein?ReplyDelete
c-reactive protein is a marker of inflammation and is not specific. May not be related to MTHFR gene mutation...Delete
thanks for the reply, not sure what is causing my high crp?? neither does my functional PCP and I was just found to have this gene disorder. THANKS!Delete
Hi Dr. Jill,ReplyDelete
I'm trying to help my sister who has the MTHFR A1298C and advanced Parkinson's. We need a doctor in Florida, anywhere between Miami and Palm Beach. We're familiar with several of the doctors on the functional medicine doctor list, but they don't seem to have in-depth knowledge on treating methylation defects, amino balancing, handling other genetic issues, detoxing, etc. Are there doctors you could recommend that have experience with Parkinson's and the above that I mentioned? If you don't know of anyone in that area, would you be able to suggest someone who would work with her by phone? Thanks so much.
Thank you for your questions... I suggest seeing my colleague, Dr. Perlmutter in Florida, who is an expert functional medicine neurologist (http://www.drperlmutter.com/about/perlmutter-health-center/). If that does not work out, I do phone consultations but prefer that patients come in for initial visit in Boulder, CO.Delete
Hi Dr. Jill,ReplyDelete
Thanks for the quick response. My sister has seen Dr. Perlmutter. She is receiving glutathione IV's regularly. His current focus is getting her on the cinemet, which she can't handle because of side effects. He did not focus on the methylation defect, only mentioning that he didn't think it was a cause of her problem with tolerating the L-dopa products. My sister is unable to travel in her current state of health - would you know of anyone else in Florida who might have that type of knowledge?
Why don't you give our office a call to schedule a phone consult. Information on booking here www.drcarnahan.comDelete
What can I expect if I have this test done and sent the results to a normal specialist physician / GP? We do not have many functional medicine guys in Mpumalanga South Africa.ReplyDelete
Depends... I believe patients are their own best advocates so the more you learn and equip yourself, the better! Learn as much as you can and take the information to your doctor with suggestions and perhaps the two of you can work together. In fact if he is open minded, you might just enlighten him!Delete
I am currently being treated by my ND for topical steroid withdrawal. I used topical steroids for eczema for over 30 years. An MD in CA has researched this and states some atopics become addicted to the steroid creams and the only cure is total cessation from them. I am currently 9 months free of the creams and was told it might take up to 3 years to stop withdrawing. My skin has been a disaster and I was out of work until recently. My ND put me on 5-MTHF, liposomal glutathione, MSM, and NAC. After researching I realized he was possibly treating me for the gene mutation. Have you ever come across this in your research? I plan to get the DNA testing once we move out of NY (23 and me cannot process samples out of NY state), I do not have any other gene mutation issues other having severe post partum depression.
All I do know is my skin is significantly better since being on these supplements and I am able to work again. There are many others out there like me suffering from this steroid withdrawal. I would like to know if it is possible that we suffer as badly as we do because of this gene mutation and not being able to rid the body of the toxins in a more timely manner.
Thanks for sharing your story, Tracy! That is great news that you are doing so much better!ReplyDelete
Hi Dr. Carnahan,ReplyDelete
I found that I was homo+ for C677t 10 years ago after multiple miscarriages. I now suffer debilitating migraines. Mostly after eating high tyrosine foods, although there are other triggers. Is there a link between MTHFR and maintaining serotonin levels? What is the link between MTHFR mutations and migraines? Should I get tested for other forms of the mutation? Can you suggest a knowledgeable practitioner in or near Bend, OR (97701)? Thanks a bunch. Kristin
Hello there. I would suggest the 23&me test for you as well. I also suggest finding a doctor trained in functional medicine in your area who can help you navigate the results.ReplyDelete
Thanks for the information! Can you recommend a functional medicine doctor in the Bay Area?ReplyDelete
Try searching by your zip code at Find a Practitioner on www.functionalmedicine.orgDelete
I read the 23andme terms and conditions. Where or how can I find out if it is legal to sent silava from South Africa to Califorina?ReplyDelete
I am sorry, I don't know the answer but suggest you contact 23andme directly for more info :-)Delete
My 8 week old son has a diagnosed tongue tie as well as a lip tie and umbilical hernia. Through a breastfeeding support group I was referred to a tongue tie support group where I first began to see the connection between midline defects and MTHFR mutation. Worried now about continuing vaccinations and starting solid foods without knowing more. Do we test him? If so what for? It maybe of interest that I have RA (vs. Psoriatic arthritis) and my son had a concave chest at birth that seems to have resolved for now.ReplyDelete
I suggest finding a holistic pediatrician of doctor trained in functional medicine in your area. Try searching www.functionalmedicine.orgDelete
What brand Methylcobalamin sublingual do you recommend to your patients? Have C677T and B12 deficiency that has been diagnosed Pernicious Anemia. Have been trying the liquid Methylcobalamin 1000 mcg under tongue daily. Causing my tongue to feel funny, dry mouth, neck and shoulder pain. Think perhaps a sublingual would work better for me? What doseage do you typically recommend if serum B12 level is now eithin normal range?ReplyDelete
I like Prothera, Inc brand Methylcobalamin and usually works great. To order, you can go to https://www.protherainc.com/prod/proddetail.asp?ID=K-MB12 and use my physician code = 618Delete
Just found out I have this genetic mutation. My psychiatrist ordered it and my doctor knows nothing about it. So I have no idea which mutation I have or what to do about it. I've had muscle/joint pain, idiopathic angioedema, extreme RANDOM allergies, anxiety, depression with psychotic features, constantly sick, ect for many many years. Since my doc has no idea what to do about it I certainly don't either.. I'm in the Chicago area.. any thoughts as to what I should do from here?ReplyDelete
There are many well trained functional medicine docs in Chicago. You might try Dr. Amy WeilerDelete
When I look at genetic profile's from psychiatrists one wants to focus on COMT, GAD, and mthfr as well as a few others to see how the gene expression could be reflective in the person's symptoms. Most traditional medicine doctors are not proper educated in the complexity of epigenetics, but my self and others are working to change that. Don't treat the snp, but rather the person is the biggest mistake I see with doctor's. Best of luck..shawnReplyDelete
Hello, reviewed more than a few forums, and can't find my answer yet. I have RA, and with my Methotrexate, as is standard practice,I take 3mg of Folic acid daily. I tested heterozygous for A1298C, and changed over to a methyl-folate 440mcg, and a methyl B12. After about a week, I have noticed an improvement in my hypertension, so was thrilled. What I have been unable to find yet is, would I work up to the same dosing of the methyl-folate as the standard Folic acid?ReplyDelete
Thanks for this forum, found it helpful.
Even if you know your genetic SNPs, like A1298C, each patient is different. I would start slowly and work your way up to 3mg methyl-folate but watch how you feel and your other symptoms. You should be able to find a "sweet spot" where you feel great and dosage between 1-3mg daily. It is very common to need a slightly higher dose for the first 1-2 mod and then less to maintain.
My brother has been diagnosed with this mutation, along with CADASIL. Another brother also with CADASIL. Myself, I tested negative. Should we both be tested for this mutation? Is it a genetic mutation similar to CADASIL? We are falling apart over here in California! Thanks, loriReplyDelete
Yes, do test and order quickly as the 23andme may stop testing in the near future....ReplyDelete
This is the disclaimer at the beginning of the 23andme website:ReplyDelete
At this time, we have suspended our health-related genetic tests to comply with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s directive to discontinue new consumer access during our regulatory review process.
We are continuing to provide you with both ancestry-related genetic tests and raw genetic data, without 23andMe’s interpretation.
Is the "raw genetic data" enough?
Disappointing to say the least since this was a very affordable way to get a thorough gene analysis. Keep watching since I think they'll be up and going again soon. It's too bad the FDA feels that the patient has to be "protected" from their own genetic & health information...Delete
and yes, raw data is just what I use to analyze SNPs. No need for interpretation from 23andme if you are working with a knowledgeable practitioner...Delete
The FDA has a responsibility to ensure the health and safety for all consumers. The decision they made to prevent people from obtaining their genetic information is to ensure that the patient is working with a qualified physician. Genetic anomalies are so vast that they subject a patient to a plethora of conditions. Apart from working in conjunction with an MD, there is the risk of self-treating, self- diagnosis which may pose a great risk. The decision to prevent a person obtaining this information ensures that they are properly diagnosed and properly treated. The FDA has no means to monitor the release of medical information obtained in this manner for accuracy. Given the fact that these tests are for genetic issues, it is even more critical that this type of testing be monitored by a pediatric specialist to ensure that children are properly diagnosed and properly treated. Obtaining a ones' medical history or any kind, including genetic history, is a right that should be available to everyone. (except in extreme cases, such as in the case of a serious mental illness that is not well managed- laws permit mental health professionals from forcing the release of such records when there is just cause to do so when it poses a safety issues). It simply needs to in conjunction with a person's physician for reasons stated above.Delete
Just another example of government overstepping their boundaries to protect us from ourselves.Delete
Dr. Carnahan, my daughter who is 28 had two miscarriages and insisted upon checking for this mutation. She does had the most severe form of it. Last week she suffered eye pain, and visual loss which they are saying she has orbital neuritis and are sending her to a neurologist for further workup for MS. Her Head MRI showed no lesions at this time. Do you think there is a link here and also who would you recommend in this area. We live in South Carolina. Murrells Inlet,SC. Thank you so much for your advice.ReplyDelete
I recommend my colleague, Dr. Cynthia Libert in Blairsville, GA (http://drlibert.org/aboutus/cynthia-j-libert-m-d/) You can also search for functional medicine trained docs at www.functionalmedicine.org.
Dr.Carnahan, I have recently tested positive for A1298C. I'm having trouble finding a doctor in the Dallas/Ft. Worth, Texas area. Do you have any colleagues in this area? Thank you,MEReplyDelete
If you search on http://www.functionalmedicine.org, there is a well-trained ND you will find in your area...Delete
One ND showed up on my search. But her information stated she does not diagnose or treat medical conditions. She will provide alternative options and consulting toward wellness and healthyDelete
living. Can you help explain the role of an ND. Thanks, ME
Dr. Carnahan, I have recently had some blood work done and it revealed that I am homozygous for MTHFR Mutation A1298C. My levels for homocysteine were low (normal 5 umol/L) my Factor VIII was 183%.ReplyDelete
The reason I had blood work up done was because is in May 2013 I had a saddle PE and DVT. Prior to that I had abdominal surgery. What I am trying to figure out was did the surgery cause the DVT and PE or was I at an increased risk due to the MTHFR A1298C mutation (that I discovered in Jan 2014). Thank you
Your baseline risk was likely higher than average due to the mutation but the surgery was a definite risk factor as well - likely a combination of the two.ReplyDelete
I think i need to test for this.I have had my intestines taken out,depression.epilepsy.fibro,migranes,had a stroke at 50,and lost my mom at age 62 to a heart attack. Have never heard of this. Is there anybody in the Alamogordo or Las Cruces,New Mexico area? Thank youReplyDelete
I just found out I am heterozygous for both 677 and 1298. My cortisol levels are 2.7, I am low in progesterone, aldosterone, pregnenolone and high in estrogen and testosterone. I can also get severely depressed at a drop of a hat and then be fine the next day. Could all this be due to the mutation? thanksReplyDelete
Hi Katherine - mood disorders are very common with MTHFR mutations....ReplyDelete
I have been reading the mutation causes your body to not produce neurotransmitters. Is taking an SSRI moot having this gene or is it a good thing? Doc wants to up my Cymbalta. Thanks!Delete
I am 51 years old and I am suffering from Chronic Migraine Headache, Thyroid - Hashimoto, Meniere's, Fibromylgia, Candida and suspect of Lyme. I eat very healthy all my life, never smoke, never drink, never take any drugs, very atletic before and I got all these. Is been four years since I am in menopause and from that time my health is very bad. I am exhaustion because the pain of migraine and the pain every where in my body,the nausea and the dizziness. After I changed many doctors because they told me that the symptoms are in y head, my new doctor find out that I am positive with C677T. I heard that taking thyroid hormones together with medication for MTHFR can cause very bad side effect. Also my doctor put me on Estradiol because the menopause. I have not taking any medication yet for MTHFR which are: methylcobalamin 5mg, 5-methyltetrahydrofolic acid 800mg, P-5-P 50mg.ReplyDelete
The only medication I am taking now are : Armour 60 mg, Lumbrokinase 20mg, and lot of vitamins (not folic acid).
I so worry to medication because I get bad side effect from the synthetic medication and same minerals.
Also, I order ZEOLITE to detox my body because I have very high level of mercury and it doesn't have side effect.
I really appreciate if you can tell how can I start taking all these supplements and I have to cut the dosage because the side effect.
Thank you very much!
Hi there, Your medical history is complicated and you really need to find a good functional medicine doctor who will help you sort through these questions. If you have not done so already, you can search by zip code at www.functionalmedicine.org.ReplyDelete
In my humble opinion this remains a very poorly understood phenomenon and much of the information online, from practitioners who purport to treat it and otherwise, is inconsistent and not yet supported by sound science. I myself have seen a couple of supposedly very good functional medicine doctors as well as two very highly rated naturopaths and their recommendations were wildly divergent. The more I go down the road, the more I think that except for very well-defined diseases and even then, people would be much better served by eating a really clean diet and reducing their stress levels than by placing their faith in supplement regimes. My two cents.ReplyDelete
Hi Pete, thanks for sharing your opinion! I agree with you that diet is absolutely core in getting well and usually about 80% of the treatment. This is a relatively new field and so not all docs are equally qualified to make recommendations for successful treatment. However, I still think that the genetic testing can be very useful in the patients who has complex chronic disease.ReplyDelete
I appreciate the response, and perhaps you are the exception to my view of functional/integrative/alternative medicine doctors, but even with a fairly straightforward situation (homozygous a1298c but none of the other problematic methylation SNPs one reads about), I can't seem to get a coherent recommendation. For example: you need more testing (although I already have spent tens of thousands of dollars on many of the tests beloved by the alt med world). Take Deplin. Deplin is way too much methylfolate just eat leafy greens or take a very low dose. Take hydoxycobalamin not methylcobalamin. Vice versa. Don't take B12 at all your levels are already high. Etc.ReplyDelete
Hi my 5 year old has thick lining of the bladder and hydronephrosis of both kidneys, with macrohematuria present (in either Kidney or bladder, they are not certain) the last time he was admitted into childrens hospital. They had hemotology come in and run a full blood work up. On my follow up visit with Hemotology they said all blood work came back normal. However I requested medical records to provide to another doctor for a 2nd opinion. Going over the records myself I found that is was noted that he tested positive for homozgous MTHFR C667 mutation. Nothing has been said to me and I am furious that it hasnt. I also have an 11 year old with ADHD and asbergers. I will look into getting her tested as well. My mother in the last 5 years suffered a suberachnoid anyurism and several strokes. My mother in law has horrible IBS and my brother in law has Cardiomyopithy . I dont know what to do or where to go at his point, and am devistated that Hemotology specialists at Childrens Hospital Orange County dont see it of any improtatnce to let a parent know that the child is Homozygous !ReplyDelete
There is no doubt a connection between these genetic SNPs and your child's health issues. However, many doctors are unaware of the significance of these mutation. Methylation involves detoxification processes, DNA/RNA repair and neurotransmitter synthesis so it can affect many areas of health. I suggest finding a doc trained in functional medicine who understands testing and treatment of SNPs.
Do you have doctor recommendations for Houston?ReplyDelete
My names is kaylee. I'm 30 and have mthfc677t homozygous. I have been looking for help from drs and they just paas u to the next one. I have been doin reaearch for the past 7 yra. My bosy gurts so bad and all the doxs say. If we can't see it..not there. Let a man stand in my shoes he would be there maybe ten mins. What I go through daily. Its exspenive and painfull mutation. KaylewReplyDelete
Yes, indeed and many docs don't understand how the MTHFR mutation affects many aspects of health - wishing you health and healing!ReplyDelete
So glad to see this comment thread as active. I'm wondering if you can point me in the direction of babies and colic in relation to this mutation. My 7 month old has a string of midline defects: upper lip tie, umbilical hernia, colic (severe). Apparent food intolerances (dairy, soy, corn & maybe gluten) and absent reflexes that required OT intervention. (Spinal galant, atnr, sucking) Although she is mostly happy now her severe reflux when I mess up my diet (breastfeeding) has me concerned. Family history includes MS, dementia with luei bodies and diabetes.ReplyDelete
Find a functionally trained pediatrician in your area - more and more docs are finally getting training - check www.functionalmedicine.org and search by zip :-)ReplyDelete
According to 23andMe I'm compound heterozygous, and I have Parkinson's. Confused about how much to supplement with methylfolate & methylcobalamin, worry about possible over-methylation. Doctors say my folate & B12 levels are fine. Anyone you recommend in Oakland CA or SF Bay Area? Many thanks.ReplyDelete
You might try Mark Holthouse, MD http://n1healthcfm.comReplyDelete
My son is 17 years old diagnosed with POTS three years ago and debilitating abdominal pain and constipation. In your list of conditions POTS is not mentioned but other autoimmune diseases are. It sounds like it would be a good idea to have my son tested. Do you have a doctor you could recommend in the Washington,DC area which is also close to Virginia (where we live) and Maryland. Thank you so much for this valuable information.ReplyDelete
Check www.functionalmedicine.org and search by zip :-)ReplyDelete
Can starting on 1mg 5mtfr cause headaches and lower back pain and body aches in the morning? My lab came back heterozygous c677t. The only thing my doctor put me on was 1mg 5mtfr. I have had high toxin labs come back in the past also. Is there something else I should be taking? Ive never had pain before. Its been less than a week since starting this and my whole body aches in the mornings.ReplyDelete
Also, can this gene mutation cause hair loss? Ive had unexplained hair loss for 10+ years.
thanks for your help!
Hi Randy, many people are very sensitive to methyl-folate especially if they are also B12 deficient. I rarely start patients on even 1mg until I know their other genetic SNPs and have made sure they tolerate B12 first. Safest way to get active folate if you are sensitive to the supplements is in raw leafy green, like am smoothie with lots of spinach.ReplyDelete
Hi Jill, I was under the impression that folate from food/greens was also difficult to absorb as it still needs to be processed by mthfr but that methylfolate bypasses it?Delete
My Name is Mary. I tested positive for one copy of the C677T Mutation and my ND/RD told me to take Folapro daily. Is this the best remedy for this condition? Is there anything else I can do or take to stay healthy? Can you recommend a MD in CT that is knowledgeable about MTHFR. It is all confusing to me. Also should my siblings, Mother and Son be tested as well? Any advice or help on this is greatly appreciated.ReplyDelete
Hi Mary, try searching by your zip code at www.functionalmedicine.org to find doc in your area. Folapro or Thorne Research 5MTHF are great but you might be missing other essential nutrients which could be synergistic and tested by a functional doctorReplyDelete
Mary, I too live in CT and go to Ct Natural Health (naturopaths) in Manchester and they do take many insurances. Another good one is Dr. Frank Aieta, although he only takes two insurances.ReplyDelete
I have been reading the mutation causes your body to not produce neurotransmitters. Is taking an SSRI moot having this gene or is it a good thing? Doc wants to up my Cymbalta. Thanks!ReplyDelete
MTHFR gene does always not determine whether or not you will respond to an SSRIDelete
Thank you Katherine.ReplyDelete
I am heterozygous for C677T and A298C. My doc put me on Deplin. What is the function of methyl folate supplementation? Does it actually bypass the effects of non-methylation? Is supplementing with glutathion also a good idea?ReplyDelete
Methyl-folate bypasses the MTHFR enzyme that has decreased activity in those with genetic defects. Recommend using caution when introducing high dose methyl-folate as some people do not tolerate.ReplyDelete
Hi, I just found out today that I am positive for homozygous 1298C. The reason I took the test was to find out answers for back to back pregnancies with birth defects. The first baby had hydrocephalus and this past pregnancy the baby had hydrocephalus AND Spinal Bifida. I am young, 32, eat extremely healthy and clean and I had a little girl 4 years ago with no problems. Today they tested my homocysteine levels and I am anxious for the results.ReplyDelete
Ever since I left the drs I have been googling about MTHFR and the 1298C mutation. I don't have any of the symptoms listed. I do suffer from insomnia from time to time. But besides that I don't have any other symptom.
My question is what is the next step and could this mutation have caused the birth defect in both of my pregnancies? The defects were severe and both pregnancies were terminated:( I have never had a miscarriage.
Also, since I have it and it came from each of my parents, would that mean my sister would have it too? What about my daughter?
Hi Kristina - yes folate metabolism & methylation may contribute to birth defects. Please find a knowledgable doctor in your area to help you and get your family tested, too!ReplyDelete
Dr. Carnahan Can you recommend a great functional medicine doctor in the both the los angeles and orange county areas in California. ThanksReplyDelete
Hi Oscar - there are many great options for you! - search www.functionalmedicine.org for a trained physician near you by zip code.ReplyDelete
Hi, I am heterozygous for both 677 and 1298. You stated that homozygous on one or the other means about 10% enzyme working rate and heterozygous for one or the other means about 60% enzyme working rate. What is the enzyme working rate for me? (heterozygous for both 677 and 1298) Does that mean that each of my enzymes works at 60%?ReplyDelete
Great question, I'm afraid I don't have the data on statistics for double heterozygous mutations.ReplyDelete
Thank you for your response. Do you know where I can find it? I've searched the web. It would be helpful to know what my body is doing.Delete
It appears there is approximately 40% reduction in function for compound heterozygous MTHFR mutations...Delete
Hi! I'm homozygous c677t - Im taking methylguard-not plus (1.2mg) and thorne pre-natal (1mg) - am i getting enough methylfolate? Also, how would I know if Im under or over methylated? I know each case is different, but as a general rule - whats either a good amount to be on, or a good place to start?ReplyDelete
That sounds appropriate. Each patient is individual and while some people react to as little as 1mg of methyl-folate, others need much higher doses. If you are feeling well on your current regimen, that is a good sign. Another way to get folate is through dark raw leafy greens.ReplyDelete
Thank you so much for your quick reply! Justa quick follow up; What are some symptoms of too much methylfolate? I'm undergoing fertility treatments so it may be hard to discern whats what - but if I knew what to look out for it would be incredibly helpful. Thanks again!Delete
I recently found out I have the C677T homozygous mutation, my PC Dr. knows very little about this and what to do. All my issues started 9 months ago after 18 days of taking bcomplex 50mg,(first dose was 100mg and that night had crawling in my legs but didn't think of the vitamin causing it) during that time I developed neuropathy, pins and needles, terrible pain I could hardly walk stopped all vitamins...was sent to a neuro for an MRI thinking MS, she diagnosed me with b6 toxicity and said to stop all supplements. I have been tested for EVERYTHING over $40,000 billed to my insurance last year. I continue to have a pulling painful muscle pain in my legs and forearms, I developed tinnitus in one ear, my T3 was 2.2 (2.4-4.2) so my PC Dr. tried treating me with different meds armour, synthyroid, nature throid, etc because of hypo symptoms, cold, hair loss,...it helped for a while then I would develop side effects so I have stopped all hormone 5 days again. I lost 40 pounds in 4 months.... I have a had cort stim test for adrenal fatigue seen an Endo he said I am fine and don't need any hormone. Long story...but here I am still I pain, shedding hair, heart palp, anxiety. No one knows what to do I asked to be tested for the MTHFR since my mom passed at age 24 from a blood clot. I am in Park City Utah, I have ordered the active b12 and active b12 with L-5-MTHFR from seeking health until I can get into see a NP. Do you think the high dose of vitamins in Aug poisoned my system? I am scared to take b6 again but my level is only 22 now down from 110 when neuro said I was toxic causing my nerve sensations and pain. my B12 is 671 down from 1005 in Aug. Iron is 115 and ferritin 30 (quit taking iron in Nov but it went up) D is 29, folate 9.7...should I start with the b12 cut it in 1/4's and see how I react? I am very sensitive to meds/supplements..I wish I had never took that b complex! what a horrible 9 months. I am hoping I can find a Dr to help me get my life back, I live in very dark days...thank you for your time and any advice you may have for me
Please find a functional medicine doctor to help you! As you know this can be quite complex and you need an advocate who understands how to treat your unique physiology and genetics. I've posted before but search www.functionalmedicine.org for a practitioner near you.
DO you recommend a baby aspirin daily for those individuals with homozygous status for C677T?ReplyDelete
Do you know what the mechanism is that causes MTHFR mutations to lead to migraine with aura?ReplyDelete
Is there a direct relationship between MTHFR defects and undermethylation?
Hi Dr. Jill -ReplyDelete
Do you have any colleagues you would recommend in the state of New Mexico? I did browse the list at www.functionalmedicine.org, but wondering if you have a personal recommendation. I'm looking for someone good to interpret and help with my 23andme.com snp's.
Unfortunately I do not :( You may have to travel to find a good functional doc - there are many in Arizona but I don't know any in NMDelete
NM Girl.. let me know if you find someone. Moving there soon and looking for a doctor also. email@example.comDelete
Hi. I'm compound heterozygous (677 and 1298) and have had anxiety & horomone/mood issues for years brought on by severe stress, but no other serious illnesses. I have been taking Vitaprime with methyl folate (400 mcg) and methylcobalmin (50mcg) for a couple years off and on. My doctor explained MTHFR vaguely a few times in the last couple of years but until I developed LPR reflux, gastritis, digestive issues and throat spasms this past summer after a lot of stress, I didn't think much about it. My doctor (DO who specializes in autism) doesn't seem to think I need to get SNPs tested and increased my dosage to methylfolate 1000 mcg and methylcobalmin to 1000mcg. I'm going slow with 650 mcg a day mfolate but my doctor doesn't think it's necessary. I seem to be ok on the 650 mcg taken in 3 doses during the day. My issue is the methylcobalmin. I attempted 1000 mcg and felt out of body weird. So, I have been taking 500 mcg (plus the 50 in the vitamin). I have been fine on that for a couple weeks so I increased again to 1000 mcg and the last couple days have been lethargic off and on, feeling rundown, dizzy, weak, and flulike off and on.ReplyDelete
I just sent away for 23 and me testing but was weighing the Yasko vs the 23 and me. My question is, can the B12 be causing my issues with detox? I also have LPR still and reflux with throat spasms and increased congestion. I'm trying to wean off the Nexium but the burning in my throat comes back and we just got the swelling down with a low acid/low histamine diet and Nexium and Dymista spray. I never go for meds but over the summer I was vomiting so much for a month and a half after getting food poisoning or something that they couldn't diagnose that my DO put me on Nexium which stopped it.
I'm negative Hpylori, normal B12 serum and folate serum levels, normal homocysteine (around 6) and CBC blood test is normal, although my vitamin D is a bit high since I take 5000 IU's a day. (Doc wants me to stay on this). The only thing that is high is B6 (2.0-36 is normal and mine is at 91.9). My doctor says not to worry about that unless I get tingling in my back and lay off the sunflower seeds that I've been eating a lot of on my modified diet.
So, bottom line, is B12 capable of causing detox reactions off and on? Perhaps how it interacts with the methylfolate? Also, is 23 and Me adequate enough for SNP's or is Yasko better?
Unfortunately, as you might imagine, I give medical advice through the blog. Bottom line is regardless of SNPs, if you feel worse on the B12 or methyl-folate you should stop taking them. You probably have many underlying imbalances with your gut micro biome which would require consultation with a functional expert and further testing, like comprehensive digestive stool analysis...ReplyDelete
I came across all this information after being prescribed Deplin to help my anti depressants work better. I am in shock. I have or have had so many of the symtoms, including MS, Fibro, depression, Endometriosis, miscarriages, IBS, it is unbelievable. I have sent for the DNA kit. I live in the Houston area. If I do have the mutation can you suggest a knowledgable doctor in this area?ReplyDelete
Hi Janey, you might try searching on www.functionalmedicine.org for trained physicians in your area. You might try Dr. Nellie Grose (http://www.tchh.net)ReplyDelete
After reading this, I immediately went to the 23andMe website and they state they don't do any health related testing.ReplyDelete
Hi Annie - they still do testing and report raw data which is all you need to get info on all your methylation SNPs. You just don't get the fancy online report from 23andme, which is not that important anyway.ReplyDelete
Hello Dr Carnahan..ReplyDelete
Two and a half weeks ago I started having severe reactions to all foods except organic beef and chicken.. organic rice cakes occasionally. All the foods I have tried to reintegrate since my most severe reaction 2 1/2 weeks ago have been met with high histamine reaction, I can't take any meds so the only way to deal with the high histamine levels is to limit foods and drink lots of filtered water. I have a long history of problems with medications and was found to have a CYP450 (my daughter does also)..thought that staying away from the meds that can't metabolize due to the genetic issue would help me get better. It hasn't, I am now having reactions to all meds no matter how small the dose.. I had to be taken off my thyroid meds last fall after several overdose reactions to it. After several months of reactions the worst came the 2 1/2 weeks ago when my body started having the severe reaction to almost all foods. They told me yesterday that blood work from earlier in the year showed a Mthfr mutation (TT). They are also looking at testing for DAO deficiency. I am generally a forward thinking person who has looked at each setback as a learning experience but as of yesterday I seemed to hit a wall, I've lost 14 lbs in 12 days ... I'm feeling physically weak and emotionally discouraged right now...
I was directed to your office for an appointment (I live in Loveland) and was able to get an appt Oct 29th, I'm not sure if my system can wait that long to get better.. if you have any other ideas on how to proceed with my health recovery I would greatly appreciate it! Thank you, Brenda
Hi Brenda, please email me through the "contact us" link on my website - www.drcarnahan.com. I will see if there is any way we can get you in sooner!ReplyDelete
Hello Dr. Carnahan,ReplyDelete
Do you know of any doctors in the Milwaukee area who might be helpful? My sister developed type 1 diabetes during her pregnancy (5 years ago now) and has had severe MS type symptoms but all testing ruled out MS. She also had uveitis. She has seen several physicians trying to understand her symptoms but has been left without answers other than that it is in her head. I have been diagnosed for Lyme Disease, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, IBS, colitis and now have discovered I have both the 1298C mutations. My father died of an aneurysm - we believe- at the age of 58. He was in great health and died overseas so we really can't confirm exactly what happened. My twin sister has Hashimotos thyroid disease and van willebrands. And we all suffer from food sensitivities, specifically gulten intolerance. I can't help but think that there is a connection with this MTHFR mutation? Thanks!
Hi Faith, try searching by your zip code at www.functionalmedicine.org. There are many qualified practitioners in Chicago area if you don't mind driving a bit :-)ReplyDelete
Hi Dr. Jill:ReplyDelete
I found out a few weeks ago that I'm C677T homozygous. My Dr. (actually a FNP) started me on Methyl Protect by Xymogen, and it caused ridiculous insomnia and more migraine headaches (than I normally had been getting). I pretty much couldn't function and asked if we could do other testing (COMT, CBS, etc). There seems to be so many variables in determining side effects (other SNPs, potassium, zinc, hydroxy vs methyl cobalamin, etc.) My Dr. stated she's unaware of the other tests and would't know how to order them.
Do you lean towards a specific protocol (Yasko, Dr, Ben, etc)? I've gone gluten/dairy free to start healing the gut. Would love some help on next steps.
Excellent first steps, John. I do find many people with methylation defects need methylfolate but unless other pathways are balanced, simply giving a supplement with methyl-factors doesn't always work. Start with low-dose methyl-B12 and you may want to get a nutritional profile, like Genova Diagnostics ONE to assess your other co-factors, like riboflavin.ReplyDelete
My son has been detected with homozygous 1298C Gene Mutation. C667T is fine. He was diagnosed of Autism when he was 17 months old. He is now 3 years old. He is on MB12 shots of 1.23 mg or 0.05 ml, per injection, Alpho Lipoic Acid 200 Mg/ day, Calcium Folinic acid 15 mg , Admenta 5 mg/ day + all his vitamins and supplements. We are currently residing in India and need you expert advice and guidance with my sons medication.ReplyDelete
I wish I could help but I do not do international consultations by Skype/phone. If you are traveling to US and willing to come to my clinic I could help you...ReplyDelete
This is unusual for me to ask medical question on a blog, but I am running out of answers and doctors who will listen. I was told I am hetero A1298c and went to see a specialist who informed me it was nothing to worry about unless I had a blood clot before the age of 30 (I am 32). Everything I read online tells me there is much more to worry about. My mother had two forms of cancer, my brother has a rare disease, and although I have had 5 children easily I have been unable to maintain a pregnancy for the past year (5 miscarriages). I will be consulting with a genetics specialist in the next week, but what other steps should I be taking? Any kind of help would be appreciated. (I know you cannot do a full diagnosis or anything similar, just looking for some advice.) Thanks!ReplyDelete
Hi Jaya, You might try going back to basics as diet can have a profound effect on genetic expression. Eliminate gluten, soy, conventional dairy, sugar and eat whole unprocessed foods in their natural state. Plenty of organic vegetables, pastured organic meats, cooked rice or quinoa and get rid of anything in a box or package. Diet along can have a profound effect on genetic expression and is an easy thing that you can control. Here's my guide to get started... http://jillcarnahan.com/2013/02/10/a-quick-start-guide-to-paleo-diet/ReplyDelete
I am a pretty healthy eater, but I could definitely improve! Is the doc right in his comments that I have nothing to worry about with this mutation unless I had a blot clot before the age of 30? Personally, I have a pretty healthy med hx.Delete
Thanks for your help!
Hi Dr. Jill,ReplyDelete
Everyone is talking about the 677 and 1298 mutations but I have Compound Heterozygous C655T and A1286C. I have no idea what that means. The doctor (not a functional medicine doc) who did the test recommended I take 1mg "activated" folate and 1000mcg of "activated" B12. Because I'm so sensitive, I thought those amounts seemed high, so I chose to use Thorne's B-Complex #6 instead. I took it for a week, and did not feel well, so I stopped taking it. At this point, I'm completely confused and distraught. I have no idea what I'm supposed to do. Thoughts?
We only have limited data and most of it is focused around C677T and some on 1298C. There is not enough research to determine if the others, like C655T even have any health consequences. Before you get too worried about which supplement is right, I would simply focus on a healthy diet with lots of raw leafy greens, whole foods and limit sugar and processed foods. 80% of feeling well despite these genetic SNPs is diet and lifestyle, not supplements :-)
Is methycobalamin generally the preferred form of B12 for people with a1298c (homozygous)? This certainly seems to be the majority point of view but I also see recommendations for hyroxy and adeno forms. It's very confusing!!ReplyDelete
Hi Pierre, it depends on many factors, there are specific indications for each form. For example if you have high nitric oxide levels, then hydroxycobalamin may be better then methylcobalamin.ReplyDelete
Hi Dr Carnahan,ReplyDelete
I have been suffering with chronic lyme disease, migraines and sever fatigue for more then six years now. I have treated with many antibiotics, as well as homeopathic supplements and remedies. I never fully recovered but did get somewhat better after three years of treatment. This past November I suffered a terrible relapse/reinfection ( not sure which) I just know I am terribly sick again. I am working with an LLMD, as well as a naturalist to treat my Lyme once again. I am still very sick, and very medication sensitive, as well as very sensitive to many foods now. My LLMD suggested this mutation to me at my last visit, and I just received the results today, I am positive for the C677T heterozygotes. I am already following a very strict paleo diet, and taking many supplements. What would you suggest I do at this point?
Unfortunately, this is not uncommon with lyme disease. I suggest continued work with your LLMD and/or consulting with a functional medicine specialist. Wish you health & healing!
I recently did the 23 and me test and found out that I am homozygyous for the MTHFR 677t mutation. I have had hashimoto's for 10 years, have suffered from OCD my entire life, and had two miscarriages this year. My OCD has been manageable with zoloft and cognitive modification therapy I did in my early 20s. I have a healthy 4 year old that I conceived at age 37 with absolutely no problem and had a wonderfully easy pregnancy. At 42, it's not as easy. I found an MD who is going through the process of certifying her office as a functional medicine office and met with her nurse practicioner this week. The recommendation was to take deplin. My choice of 7,5 or 15 mg. There was no mention of additional supplementation of methlycobalmin or B6. Since I am trying to conceive, I am concerned about just supplementing with deplin. Despite my repeated concerns about this, the nurse practicioner says, just deplin is necessary. I started the 7.5 mg dose this week and no ill effects yet. I also bought the Pure Enscapsulations UltraNutrients as my multi bc it seemed very close in ingredients and dosages to Dr. Lynch's seeking health prenatal. But I don't know if I am overdoing it or not. The nurse practicioner and the doctor say all I have to do is take deplin and I'm the same as anybody else. I find this very hard to believe. I also started 600 mg of NAC this week. I'm a bit confused if I am taking the right things. I cannot afford to find another functional medicine doctor becasue this office is the only one that takes insurance. All the other functional medicine doctors I've found do not take insurance, which makes it prohibitively expensive. Do you have any advice about supplementation?
Hi Lissen, Each case is personalized and you may or may not tolerate that high dose of methyl-folate. There are many other genetic SNPs besides MTHFR that create the whole picture and determine whether or not a person will do well on that dose of Deplin. I usually "start low and go slow" as a rule to avoid hyper-methylation or side effects. If you are not finding answers with your current doc, it will be well worth it to invest in a doc who can personalize the recommendations for you!ReplyDelete
I have the defect and high levels of b-12 as well. I am taking lithium orate to release the b-12 into my blood. My question is do I have to take lithium for life or only until my b-12 is normal?ReplyDelete
Please ask your prescribing physician this question. I am not familiar with using lithium for this purposeDelete
Hi, is it possible to hAve mthfr and comt gene mutations? What would be the protocol for that please?ReplyDelete
Hi Debbie, There is no "protocol" or one size fits all. I recommend consulting with a functional medicine expert to taylor a plan specific for your health needs!ReplyDelete
Dr. C., I am taking Deplin 15 mg for double hetero. mutations which I take at night. My doc also has me taking a super B complex in the morning and B6 at night. Why would he have me take additional Bs at all, and why split them between morning and night? Do they enhance the function of Deplin? Thanks so much for your ongoing care of those of us trying to figure out how to take care of ourselves.ReplyDelete
Hi Julie, B6, riboflavin, niacin, and B12 are all essential in the methylation process. So there is more than just methyl-folate in the equation. B6 is essential for seretonin production which is why some docs give at night to enhance mood and sleep. There is no one-size-fits all so see how you do and make adjustments if you are not feeling well on the current regimen.ReplyDelete
Hello, my husband was today diagnosed with heterogen A1298C mutation. the C677T is ok. how can i get in contact with you to get some hints for the treatment?ReplyDelete
He had a stroke since 7 months
Hi Antje - more information on how to schedule a consult at www.jillcarnahan.comReplyDelete
Hello. I just found out I'm homozygous for c677t. I have had anxiety and depression since I was a little girl. Aspergers and ADHD run in my family as well as bipolar disorder. I have LUPUS and chronic fatigue syndrome. From what I have read it sounds like the 1298 mutation is more likely to cause these conditions, or have a been misinformed? Is my being homozygous for c677t mutation likely causing these problems. Also I was if anybody has ordered the DNA analysis from 23andme recently. Does it provide you with info on gene mutations without the health analysis info or does it not provide you with DNA mutation info at all? Thanks.ReplyDelete
Evidence to date shows more clinical significance for the C677T mutation. 23andme will provide you will all the data you need to get SNPs :-)ReplyDelete
Hello. I have the heterozygous mutation for C677T. My Dr in Australia ordered the test after I had high homocysteine levels. I took a supplement (x 3 daily) over a three month period to bring the homocysteine level down. Each tablet contains 250mcg B12 (cyanocobalamin), 150mcg Folic Acid, 8.3mg B6 (pyridoxine), valerian, St John's Wort & Lactium. Now that I know about the gene mutation, should I change the supplement to other forms of B vitamins and Folate? I am also hypothyroid and take T4 & T3 daily. ThanksReplyDelete
Yes, try Thorne Methyl Guard instead. You can order online at www.thorne.com and use physician code HCP1004064 if you'd like :-) Link here http://www.thorne.com/Products/Aging/Cognitive_Support/prd~SF787.jspReplyDelete
ksut fond out my 21 month old is ++ MTHFR A1298C.ReplyDelete
Should i be giving her extra folate? and how much would you recommend??
Hi Megan, with a 21 month old it's important to consult with a physician before supplementing 5MTHFR. I would start with dietary sources of natural folate, like leafy greens.ReplyDelete
I have been reading about the MTHFR gene mutation lately and will be ordering the 23andme test soon. I have read that birth defects can be a sign that you have it, but never read anything about missing limbs. I was born without my left hand.ReplyDelete
I also have eczema, PCOS, digestive issues, OCD/anxiety/depression.
I've seen many drs post that the heterozygous mthfr combination of 1298 and 677is the worst, yet I can't find any articles that discuss this and why. It sources back to Dr. Jones, the Lyme pediatrician, but then he quotes that on his page with no references. Can you site the article you found this info from? Thank you so much.ReplyDelete
Heterozygous 1298 & 677 in Maine,
Hi Nina, You will likely find what you are looking for here http://mthfr.net/mthfr-research/2012/01/27/ under Compound Heterozygous MTHFR Mutations. I believe there are over 4000 articles on MTHFR mutations in PubMed as well.ReplyDelete
I am A1298C ++ and have sleep disorders. Please recommend a good Functional Medicine doc in Dallas, TX.ReplyDelete
you can search at www.functionalmedicine.org by zip!ReplyDelete
hi, if I am GG on the A 1298C and normal at the other one what does that me( Snp´s from 23 and me) so it means CC right? I Heard that was normal but on 23 and me they say its not? Confused!!ReplyDelete
A1298C is the variation.ReplyDelete
Hello, could you please advise if there is any risk associated with over supplementation of methyl folates if I haven't been tested. In the part 5 years I have been diagnosed with vitiligo, endometriosis and bladder cancer all of which have assoc with vit Bs. I don't have confidence in being taken seriously by a GP (australia) to request tests for tox, vits, genes. Interestingly my paternal grandfathers 6 siblings all died of Alzheimer's and he died of a heart attack. My maternal grandmother had fibre, cancer and endo, so I am thinking this MTHR could be a factor. Is there a way to naturally manage or does it require supplementation if I inherited two damaged copies of the gene. I need to boost antioxidants to prevent recurrence/progression of these diseases.ReplyDelete
Thanks in advance
Yes, not all people with mutations tolerate supplementation unless all other nutrients are in balance. I suggest finding a functional medicine doc in your area to do testing :-)ReplyDelete
Hi Dr. Jill -ReplyDelete
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I am an MD, with questions. I have a 30 yr old female with periods twice a month. Has anxiety. Mostly healthy otherwise. Heterozygous c677T. She cannot swallow pills- for love or money! Any suggestions other than the methyl B sublingual? For the MTHF, TMG, other Bs? Any small pills? I tried to break Methyl Guard apart and it is super bitter tasting!
Any other thoughts for the periods every 2 weeks. She is not on BCP, and is anxious about taking them- worried about getting blood clots. Any thoughts about testing for her propensity to get them?
Hi DH, You might try Prothera Active B12-folate lozenges which would be sublingual for her. She can order using physician code 618 if needed online. For hormones, I would check serum levels of estradiol, progesterone, free/total testosterone, DHEAS, cortisol on days #19-21 of cycle and maybe try Chaste Tree for regulation.ReplyDelete
My son is 27 and has been dx with MTHFR, he has clots, bipolar, anxiety severe addiction from one to the next etc. I have Lupus, MS, Migraines,Siezures(epilepsy). .I have had cervical dysplasia and cancer runs my family.I had a wonderful Internal med doc and have just lost him,due to political changes, but even he didnt make a connection. Now I have an elderly GP. He knows Nothing about MTHR and does not know anything about MTHR or my treatment and as an RN I am pretty much on my own and have to ask for every labs or changes in meds or care. He has given me refills for the meds I was taking. My previous Dr. had me on MTX methotrexate to help put my symptoms in remission.Yes I had some bad days but it did give me 3to 4 days that were decent a week. It was all a nightmare.so we stopped it.My GP said don"t take ASA and stay on your meds but thats it. There are no docs in town that will take Medicare and I had to stop working due to my disease process and finding some one that will take me due to the medicare then they look at my dx and say no, I don't think so.ReplyDelete
Thanks for your comments and sorry to hear about your suffering. The best thing to do and you don't even need a doctor for it) is to eliminate all processed foods, gluten, dairy, sugar, soy, corn, alcohol from your diet and start with a foundation of clean organic unprocessed foods. You will be amazed at how much a very clean diet will help your conditions!ReplyDelete
Blessings for healing,
I got my 23andme results. I do have three MTHFR mutation. Should I be alarmed? Do I need to see my PCP? All of this is very new to me. I'm not sure what my next step should be.ReplyDelete
Hi Instantn0odle - no do not panic. SNPs are not fatalistic and there is much you can do (start with clean, unprocessed food) to modulate their expression. It depends on your health and just because you have a mutation doesn't relegate you to a poor health outcome.ReplyDelete
I am 47, female. My mum and auntie took part in a Migraine study many years ago and discovered they where positive for both C677T and A1298C MTHFR Gene. Mum has passed 2 years ago with Renal Failure, Diabetes, and Cirrhosis of the liver due to Haemochromatosis (I am also a carrier). After she died my Aunty urged me to get tested for MTHFR. I still don't really understand it but cannot find a doctor in Brisbane, Australia...who will take this seriously. My current doctor thinks I am making up my symptoms and referred me to a General Physician. I pushed for the MTHFR test and found I was Hetro for C677T. The GP said it was nothing to worry about and would have no effect on me. She then told me I needed to see a psychiatrist. I have never felt so alone and insulted in all my life. She then wrote back to my doctor advising her recommendation. I had numerous miscarriages when younger, endometriosis resulting in a Hysterectomy at age 29. I have been on HRT for over 17years. Currently I have burning sensations/tingling in both of my arms, dizziness, headaches that don't go away with pain killers, nausea when I eat, my silver fillings ache and taste funny, insomnia, I get heart palpitations- (heart tested and okay, I am sensitive to many foods and chemicals...for eg, bleach will cause me to get bronchitis. The list goes on. I sound like a whinger but really I just want someone to take the time to find out how to help me. I have had an MRI to rule out anything other issues in my brain, I have been getting B12 shots as my levels where low...but they are now showing normal levels...but I still have the symptoms and the B12 only makes a difference for a few weeks. I have urged my adult children to get tested. Can you please advise where I should go to get help and advice. Could a Naturopath be the answer as I cannot find any doctors who know anything about this or who are willing to find out? Any comments or advise would be appreciated. Thanks KM
Hi KM - Yes, indeed you need to find a functional medicine trained doc who can listen to your story and help you on the way to healing. There are a few docs trained in Australia and many more in UK and US if you are willing to travel. I suggest searching on www.functionalmedicine.org for a doc near you.ReplyDelete
Dr Jill are there any functional doctors in Des Moines Iowa. I have the MTHFR 667 gene defect. I have terrible depression and allergies please give me some assistance thank youReplyDelete
Try searching by zip code at www.functionalmedicine.org.ReplyDelete
Can one have high serum B6, B12 and folate yet actually have a a deficiency? Also, I just rec'd my 23andme results and I am heterozygous for both MTHFR C677T and CBS A360A.ReplyDelete
I am awaiting an appt with a functional med dr in 2 weeks.
Yes, if you are lacking co-factors, like B2 or others and unable to process B12, you might actually need it intracellularly but have high serum levels. You might try starting with a B complex to make sure you have some co-factors available. My favorite for MTHFR mutations is Prothera Active B Complex which you can order direct (https://www.protherainc.com) with physician code = 618. Blessings,
Thank you Dr Jill! Is there a specific test for the co-factors? Should one treat MTHFR or CBS first? My 23andme results seem to be a little complex for both my methylation and detox profiles. I have a bunch of homozygous and heterozygous mutations. I pray my doctor knows what to do for all of this! Thanks again!Delete
Hi Dr Jill,ReplyDelete
I am homozygous for C677T and my husband homozygous for A1298C. Our eldest son has heterozygous C677T/A1298C and is having treatment for that as he has autism.
My question is would my younger son definitely have the same mutations as my elder son?
And although he is developing well at the moment he might need treatment to avoid becoming over toxic? Many thanks.
if you and your husband each carry 2 abnormal copies respectively of the gene mutation, your sons will inherit one copy of each mutation.
I am so glad I found your web page. Dr. Jill you answer most questions with real answers or where to find Dr.'s that can help.ReplyDelete
My best friend found out she has MTHSERC677T. Her family is having a very hard time trying to figure out what to do for her.
She lives in Arizona. I am going to find someone for her to go to that will help her. She is severely depressed.
Again, thank you!
She might try searching for trained practitioners at www.functionalmedicine.org or see Dr. Christianson (http://www.integrativehealthcare.com)
Hi Dr Jill,ReplyDelete
Both my husband and I have MTHFR A1298C heterozygous. If we have children, how likely would they be to have A1298C heterozygous, homozygous, or neither?